REELERS Reveal: Andrew Kaineder Is A Big Deal

7 Dec 2016 0

SURFING WORLD MAGAZINEREELERS SHORT FILM COMPETITION

Life After: The Man & The Sea
A Chat with Andrew Kaineder 

Director/Cinematographer Andrew Kaineder
Editor Jai Rakic
Music Drew Innocend

Andrew Kaiender is no slouch when it comes to the silver screen. Since bursting onto the scene as a lensman for the WSL he’s gone from strength to strength, with a win in the 2016 Reelers Story Category for his short film on Derek Hynd – The Man and the Sea and more recently his self produced and directed Bezerke, a high octane slab fest starring Russell Bierke. So who better to talk us through the secrets of great storytelling than a man Taylor Steele handpicked out of a stack of entries to be awarded one of the most prestigious short film victories in surfing today…

CW: How did you hook up with Derek Hynd for this project?
AK: It was a bit of luck. I was working for the tour in Jbay and wanted to stay on for a bit longer. A good friend of mine, Tim Boreham, told me Derek was in town and introduced us. I ended up swimming out with my housing at Jbay and Derek and I had a chat for a while out the back. Then he invited me over for dinner. Then after two days he said ‘oh just come and stay with us,’ so I stayed with him the whole time, up past the point.

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How did you and Derek living together influence the storyline of your film? I guess, we hung out all day every day for two weeks straight and I started asking questions, getting to know him a little better. I formulated an approach, or a direction, of where I wanted to go with it and the kind of questions I wanted to ask him. We did an hour long interview the day before I left. There was plenty of very funny bits and pieces in there, including 20 minutes of Derek’s thoughts about hipsters, which was pretty classic.

What makes a good story for you? What is it that pushes the narrative? A good story is something that is genuine and authentic and something that people can relate to in some way. My interview approach is more like a conversation and I rarely pull people up if they’re making mistakes because it can ruin the natural flow of the interview and then they start to think about it too much. In a lot of contrived films, people repeat things all the time. Whereas for me, if the subject doesn’t stick with it, I wont pull them up. I’ll just ask a similar question to get a similar answer.

What could we expect from a guy like Derek if he were talking turkey with us right now? Derek is super calculated. During the interview I would ask him a question and he wouldn’t answer for a while and just mull it over in his own head and then comeback with exactly what has happened in his mind. I really enjoyed working with him. It’s funny, after we entered the film, Derek was writing things to me like ‘I think it’s in the top, but not in the top-top, it’s definitely not the best,’ and I just thought mate, I’ll reply to your emails when I’ve won the thing! That may sound sceptical, but that’s part of the charm. I mean every second day he was like ‘Oh it’s amazing!’ Then he’d be like, ‘Oh dunno…’ One day he’s like, ‘Great job,’ then the next he’d be saying, ‘You can tell the editor doesn’t surf.’ [Laughs].

Andrew (on left) is presented with his novelty cheque at the 2016 Reelers Awards Night, Photo by Life Without Andy

Andrew (on left) is presented with his novelty cheque at the 2016 Reelers Awards Night, Photo by Life Without Andy

How did the audio affect your editing process? This film was quite different to how I usually work, because I had a vision in the beginning that this was going to be more controversial, like anti-competitive surfing – that kind of thing. Quite cynical, I guess. All that content sat on my hard-drive for seven months until a week before Reelers. We didn’t know the comp was on until a week before and just said to ourselves ‘We should just make something and enter!’ Working with Jai on the edit, we spoke together about the approach and changed it to more of an honest personal journey, as opposed to the cynical tone. It started out very different in my head to how it ended up. Which can happen, along the way you learn more about the subject, and learn to change your views as your going, and you’ve gotta be kinda lucid and fluid and free for that to happen.

Were you expecting to win? Or was that a total surprise? I don’t know. I thought we were in with a good chance, but you never know. I thought it was in for a good chance to make the finals anyway. I thought we had a good opportunity and we could grab it.

Are those conversations just part of being so close to the project? At some point do you have to take a step back? For sure, but I think as a filmmaker or an artist or whatever, when you’re true to yourself you’ll know, not in a wanky sense, but what I mean is you kind of know when something is gold. In that sense, you know if you’ve made something a little bit worthy. I’m still working towards something that I’m 100 per cent happy with, but we’ll get there one day.

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What did you take away from submitting your piece to an iconic filmmaker like Taylor Steele? That was one of the biggest drawcards of the whole event, to be honest. Having Jack, Taylor and Kai, they’re the biggest in the industry and it was pretty cool to have your work reviewed by them, even just to get it in front of them and have it seen by the biggest surf filmmakers ever. Critical feedback from one of those guys is amazing.

What’s the next project you’ve got on the backburner? There’s nothing planned right now. Bezerke really took it out of me. I kind of went a bit overboard, and scored the whole soundtrack entirely made from scratch. It was a bit of a mission and had a few hiccups. When you’re producing and directing, even only a 15 minute film it takes a lot of brainpower, so I guess the WSL or tour allows me to rest my mind a little bit and shoot some surf action. I don’t have to think too much. Now I’m taking a bit of a break from film projects but I am filming for the WSL world longboard championships over in China. Then taking a break till the end of Jan and then pickup the world juniors down in Kiama. Maybe the Northern hemisphere in February, nothing in concrete.

What advice could you give to film buffs who want to take a crack at Reelers this year? Ha! Now I feel like I’m a filmmaker! I’m sitting on the twentieth floor of this mental hotel in Sydney, and talking right now it feels like I’ve made it, but it’s all a façade [laughs]. What a question hey… Be honest to the subject matter and the story that you want to tell. Honesty and integrity in the story you’re trying to purvey, especially if you’re going down the documentary route. Otherwise, humour in the storytelling is always a win. Something relatable to not just surfers. I find this is something I’ve always been told when I was just starting out, learning film. Think about someone who has no idea of what they’re watching and if they could watch it. With Derek, people could relate to wisdom with age and the passion or love of something that becomes your life’s work. My Mum watched it, and other people I know who know nothing about surfing at all, and they were able to sit through that three minutes because it tells a story beyond the subject of surfing. The aim is to branch out beyond your target audience.

Any chance we’ll see another Reelers entry from you this year? We’ll see how we go. I really would love to see one of my films on screen at Moonlight cinema. Putting on a big spectacle at somewhere like that is pretty sick! CW.

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*BONUS Video Below, Russell Bierke In BEZERKE, by Andrew Kaineder

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